Pinging in the Rain
Well, pinging in the sunshine today – while the UK freezes over, in the South of France the skys are clear and bright today, but it is cold.
I have just got back from a brisk walk with the dogs and brought back a boot full of old vines for our log fire in the living room. I let the oil run out as I want to change over to town gas this year and hoped we would not need central heating after this week – big mistake.
Pinging is all about getting a blog read and shared around the blogosphere – so if I mention other blogs, like Antone Roundy in comments or in a post the links should get “pinged” and shared around – it is a way of helping readers to get more information about the subject – like in this case, about pinging.
Getting the Goods on You
March 24, 2008 by Tony · 4 Comments
I have been writing recently about some of the frustrations of buying property in France – these frustrations are both for the buyer and myself trying to find the right property for someone.
I work with Coast and Country , a very reputable estate agent based on the Cote d’Azur, I am trying to help with their Internet presence and I also offer for sale some nice properties where I live in Languedoc.
People from all other parts of the world dream of living in France and many contact me, plan a trip and ask me to help find a suitable property. I am happy to do this as I meet a lot of nice people and, if they buy a home, I can share part of the commission from an agency. To be able to do this I have to be correctly registered.
I have mentioned in this blog the big problem of finding what properties are available – there is no central listing system and all agents are competing to sell the same properties – the agents are also competing against the owners of the properties, so if they advertise them properly a buyer, using the Internet (Google Maps and Yellow Pages) will easily find the address and make an offer direct to the owner, cutting out the agent and saving an average of 15,000 euro (the average commission on an average property price).
So when a buyer pops into an agents shop or through their website, the agent will not tell them where the house is, often not even which town or village it is in – the agent often insists on accompanying the buyer and usually demands that they sign a “bon de visite”.
This “bon de visite” (my interpretation is “Getting the goods on you for the visit”) is to protect the agent that in the event of the prospective buyer then going direct to the owner and negotiating a purchase, the agent can sue the owner for the commission they would have had.
I find this insulting both to the buyer and to the owner, I never ask for a bon de visite – sure, there are people who would abuse this trust and on an expensive property this can be the price of a new Jaguar or Mercedes (or more) but it makes it impossible for anyone looking for a home to know what is available in any town at any time. The only way is to visit every single agent (there are three times as many agencies as there are bakers shops) and to read every singe classified advert every day (nearly half the properties sold are not sold through estate agents in France) also to search every Internet portal every day (many websites are advertising portals for a number of agents and I have found over 2,000 of these) plus it is necessary to ask every Notaire in the area if they have any properties for sale.
I have a client at the moment who wishes to buy a home in Pezenas – he is very specific about his requirements and one is that it is within 15 minutes walking distance of the town center. In Pezenas I deal with all the agents (currently 27 with offices in a town of less than 15,000 people) take into account agents in other local towns covering Pezenas and the fact that people may move in France on average once in 7 years (the French homeowners move less frequently than this) this implies that there are in any one year a maximum of 400 properties offered for sale (about 15 per annum per agent) – take out the ones sold direct by the owners and on average an agent in Pezenas with an office is basing their business on ten properties to sell each year.
Most agencies list from 200 to 400 properties as owners will sign non-exclusive agreements with as many agents who ask them – the end result is that no agency can fully promote or advertise the property as a buyer will simply go direct to the owner – but a buyer will never know what is available and cannot quickly eliminate properties in the wrong area or with the wrong services to them as they can in most other countries, so a huge amount of their time is lost and someone on a trip from the USA or Australia to find a home is frustrated.
For my client looking in Pezenas I am asking agents I know to please tell me where the property is – many are refusing to do this, implying I will go behind their backs – what I do in fact is to ignore them completely and as the same property is likely to be listed with many other agents, I keep asking until I can either book an appointment to view for my client, or say with certainty it is unsuitable.
The solution needs changes in the way people work – it means a cut in sales commissions from the current 6 to 10 percent to the more (world-wide) normal 1 to 2 percent – it means sellers working with one agent to rely on them to fully promote, advertise, sell and network their property for them – it also means a lot of agents would go out of business and perhaps do something more useful.
Meanwhile, if you have a three bedroom house 15 minutes from the center of Pezenas or Clermont Herault, with a nice outlook, garden (pool preferred) for under 400,000 euro – please let me know.
French Estate Agents
March 21, 2008 by Tony · 2 Comments
In many countries, including America, the UK and Australia, if I want to buy a house I select a local agent I like and I ask them what properties they can offer in the areas I am interested and at the price I can afford. They check the requirements on a computer and in seconds can show me all the listed properties in those areas and in the price range I ask – not only that they can show me a Google map, satellite picture or possibly a Google drive past of the actual houses.
The estate-agent is confident I will deal with him, although they may be showing many properties listed which are signed to other agents, as the multi-listing-system shares this information throughout a total network and agents (generally) work together.
This open and comprehensive exposure has many advantages, the person selling knows their property is shown to it’s best advantage, photos and maps are freely exposed, prices asked are realistic, an overpriced property will easily be seen as one which compares unfavorably with neighbouring prices and prices will not be set under the fair and realistic market price as this can also be seen quickly by the owner. Agents in these countries earn a sales commission around 2 to 3 percent.
In France, getting information from most agents is like getting blood from a stone – this week, for a client, I have been requesting a very clear specification for a family home which must be within 15 minutes by foot from the center of Pezenas. Two agents I visited for them have point blank refused to tell me even roughly where the properties are – we have to sit in front of them – hear a lecture and then be accompanied on a visit from a prior appointment – seeing five properties a day this way from one agent is very hard and frustrating work. A day later two agents complained that the clients did not go back to them for more “appointments”, I had to tell them that the rubbish they had been showing had discouraged them to the point they did not wish to return to them – had they shown honest photos and told us where the properties were a lot of time would have been saved and they may still have had a chance to sell them a property.
Unlike the USA and UK etc – in France there is no central Multi Listing System – estate agents are concerned that buyers will go behind their backs to other agents – or even worse directly to the owners. In fairness there is some justification – commissions are usually over 6 percent (often double this or more) of the selling price so on an average sale in France the buyer and save from 15,000 euro on the advertised price – add to this the complication of the owner to have many non-exclusive contracts with many agents often all at different offering prices due to commission variations and an estate agent in France is not encouraged to even give a clue to which village a property is in, let alone the address.
It is all going to change – I am telling agents I can use search engines to find the other agents listing their listed properties and with clues and a compound of photos from these sites, use satellite maps combined with the government plans to get the exact address of all the properties in less time that wasted on one visit draws blank looks of total incomprehension from them.
Soon we can all use photosynth – http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/129 – to find anything from images we input and all agents depending on mystery, smoke and mirrors, they will have to rethink their function.
Meanwhile – if you know of a good family home, walking distance from the center of Pezenas, with a pool and under 400,000 euro – please contact me , I have a customer.
Building Costs in France
March 21, 2008 by Tony · 3 Comments
A useful site I have written about before is Batitel – unfortunately they charge a fixed subscription of 90 euro a year for their online service, while this is excellent value if you are a builder, it is pricey for someone wanting to check on building and material prices for building work in France.
If the is a big enough demand I could try to give you a service for specific pricing and estimates – any interest?
Cost of Buying a House in France
March 21, 2008 by Tony · Leave a Comment
If you buy a house in France, the sale must be completed through a Notaire.
I am not sure exactly how to describe a Notaire in comparison to the legal or official equivalent in other countries – not a; lawyer, solicitor, civil-servant or barrister – the Notaire is in fact the biggest tax collector in France and every property transaction will have a fixed tax and non-negotiable fee for a Notaire.
These fees are paid by the buyer and are rarely shown in the selling price of a property, so when you have found you dream home you have to allow another lump of cash to stomp up when you complete the sale.
The amount you will pay depends on the price and the age of the property – under five years and the taxes are signicantly lower.
I found this useful calculator which shows how much you will have to pay the Notaire in fees and taxes on the completion day.
The calculator also has provision for the fee which will be added if you are taking out a loan on the property.
Getting Information about places and property Part One
March 19, 2008 by Tony · Leave a Comment
If you are planning to move to France you will be searching lots of estate-agents websites and many of the online portals to get information on property and to find out what is on offer. This article is about finding information about places, prices and problems.
How to find and select a property is a complex question and I am preparing another article on this. As with most Internet searching the Big “G” , medium “Y” and smallish “M” are search engines which can reveal millions of pages – I am sharing some of the pages I know and use regularly and which I have refined and used for several years.
http://www.patrimoine-de-france.org/ Claims 450,000 items of information and history relating to regions, departments and villages in France – a messy site to use and far from complete – but there are nuggets of information relating to things you may miss elsewhere such as flooding and fires.
http://www.notaires.fr/notaires/notaires.nsf/V_TC_PUB/ENGLISH-HOMEPAGE You have to use a Notaire and you may as well understand what they do – their official site has this English option and a lot of information – but sometimes it is hard to find – there is a real-estate “portal” which lists a few (very few) properties for sale not shown anywhere else so it is worth searching
http://www.immobilier.notaires.fr/jahia/Jahia/lang/en and http://www.immoprix.com/ which is linked from the Notaire site and gives a fair indication of property price trends outside of Paris – this used to be an awful site but has tidied up it’s act it seems and does not crash my computer as much now. This is less focused guide than the one available from
http://www.pap.fr/ but it claims to only give statistics when it has enough relevant data. Notaire do have access to a restricted database of all sales and their information will be more current and comprehensive – it is always a good idea, once you have determined exactly where you are going to buy a property, to find by recommendation, an intelligent and cooperative Notaire
http://www.paris.notaires.fr/ Gives a lot of information, including property prices, for the Paris region and is one of the better sites (apart from the silly animation)
http://www.ecologie.gouv.fr/-Inondations-.html This is an infuriating site – there are many useful pages of information, but the navigation and search boxes keep switching to other less informative sites – also the English pages are worse than useless as they are usually just empty – however, keep on the site and read between the lines and some real nugget of data are shown.
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/ is a site linked back to in the navigation from the ecologie.gouv.fr site – it looks like work in progress and is a typically daft French site of irritating images and pointless pages – but again, drill down and there are some good bits of information
Plan Cadastrale is on line
March 10, 2008 by Tony · Leave a Comment
Two thousand years ago the Romans made careful maps of their Empire to be able to collect taxes from all landowners – so nothing has changed there. In the museum in Beziers there are some old drawings of the plots of land, probably given to retired Roman soldiers to make into farms (and pay taxes) these Plans Cadastrale look very similar to the ones we use today for every property transaction, many of the plots and boubaries are exactly the same as they were in the year dot.
Getting a copy of the Plans Cadastrale of a property used to mean a visit to the local Mairie, waiting for everyone to come out of the pub/cafe/bar/bordello and get back into the office, then to be told their computer/Microfiche reader/printer/pencil/clay-tablet was out of order.
Now you can get these plans online at …
www.cadastre.gouv.fr
I can zoom in on my neighbours or anywhere in France and see exactly what area their plot of land is and where the boundaries are – so with Google maps and http://www.geoportail.fr/ you can get a very clear idea of a property offered for sale.
Haiku 2 A question
Rain on my garden
Who owns the splashes I see
The sky or the pond
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Answers please on the back of a postal order
Amazon Wine
March 9, 2008 by Tony · 2 Comments
I have drunk wine from most South American countries including, Peru, Chile, Mexico and Argentina – but Amazon wine conjors up an image of muddy water and pirana fish in my glass. However, to my relief it is an announcement that Amazon.com are planning to offer wine sales on a massive scale.
This is very interesting news, if they do make a genuine global offer. The problem with wine is that it usually ships in bottles which are expensive to pack, heavy and fragile – also there are customs dues and taxes to pay as they cross borders – so delivery is a nightmare.
My idea is to start a specialist wine club from my site at www.Winorati.com – the idea is that I buy you the best wines in France – I then drink them for you and give you a very attractive certificate of appreciation (or not, if it was not good) which you can keep.
This saves all shipping costs and is very good for your health – to protect my liver I would sub-contract a lot of the drinking by opening specialist wine bars where all the drinks from a huge selection of wines are half price (the imbiber has to complete the certificate of appreciation). Or you can come to my wine bar and drink your bottles (already paid for) or take them away (if you can still walk).
All I need now is some venture capital funding to start this new online community.
Haiku
March 9, 2008 by Tony · Leave a Comment
I was trying to do a regular series of Haiku from this blog – so here is a simple one for today
802.3
over tcp/ip
gives you this haiku
